Junk sail types comparison

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  • 24 Apr 2014 14:48
    Reply # 1542844 on 1542712
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    I can understand Kurt's appreciation for flat sails offshore. Light windward performance probably doesn't count for much over a whole voyage, maybe none. But great for the weekend & coastal sailors who stay where the seas are flatter. We've flown along, Northwards into a light NE breeze keeping pace with Bermudans. Wouldn't give that up!

    But I don't agree with Kurts contention that the Hasler McLeod flat sails preserve the integrity of the ancient Chinese junk rig. I think they unwittingly departed from tradition when they used modern hard to stretch sailcloth. It had the benefit of spreading loads across the battens, so no broken battens. Serendipity.

    Looking at old pictures on the net the ancient rigs certainly did bellow out and the bolt ropes kept the panels to a kind of cambered like shape. They also carried a huge pile of bamboo to replace broken battens. I think cambered panels restored the western junk's integrity to its ancient beginnings. So my bending of battens is a following of ancient tradition too, not that I like it...
  • 24 Apr 2014 08:24
    Reply # 1542738 on 1542712
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    Corey

    I had much the same experience as David with my boat ”Malena” (23’ Albin Viggen), back in the nineties. I used to say that changing to cambered sail, was like fitting a turbocharger to an engine.

     

    If you bother with looking up the old newsletters, no. 24, 26 and 30, you will see how I stumbled my way from a flat sail, via camber through hinged battens, then hastily made cambered panels with tucks at luff and leech, and finally with a new cambered panel sail, using the “barrel method”. 

     

    Actually  -  now that I am familiar with the method, I find it very easy to make a cambered panel junk sail.

     

    Two big assets with the method:

    1.       I only need floor space enough to loft one panel at a time  -  sometimes I haven’t seen the whole sail stretched out until I hoist it.

    2.       The “barrel only method”, combined with my “amateur method” of assembling the panels along the battens, lets me get away with passing very little sailcloth under the arm of the sewing machine. This saves a lot of work and space.

     

    Rigging the cambered sail is very similar to the flat sail, but I guess that I use the upper Luff Hauling Parrel (“Throat Hauling Parrel”) and Yard Hauling Parrel a bit more actively, to keep away diagonal creases, and I also fit my sails with the standing Hong Kong Parrels, to aid with this.

     

     

    Good luck with your project!

    Arne

  • 24 Apr 2014 06:52
    Reply # 1542728 on 1542712
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    Corey Lees wrote:I was all set to build a cambered panel sail until I read "Merits of the flat cut junk rig sails". Is there this type of articles written from the wing sail owners perspective and from the cambered panel sail owners perspective? I haven't found much written from owners of one sail plan that have converted to another sail plan on the same boat. Thanks.
    You may get a lot of comments on this from both the flat sail camp and the camber panel sail camp. But my boat Footprints had a flat sail which was changed to a cambered panel sail. The change transformed the boat and turned it into a real sailing boat. There is some extra complication with the camber panel rig but for the sailing I do most of the time it is the best rig for Footprints. For offshore sailing and long term reliability the jury may still be out as to which is the best rig, but it seems that for most people who have converted to camber panel sails, and once they have learned to use them, most are very happy with the change.
  • 24 Apr 2014 04:49
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    I was all set to build a cambered panel sail until I read "Merits of the flat cut junk rig sails". Is there this type of articles written from the wing sail owners perspective and from the cambered panel sail owners perspective? I haven't found much written from owners of one sail plan that have converted to another sail plan on the same boat. Thanks.
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