Elizabethan Conversion

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  • 19 Apr 2017 10:23
    Reply # 4762440 on 4458199

    Thanks David and Annie,

    I will indeed create a template from the picture you found (well done by the way David - my Google Search abilities have been surpassed) and the photos I have. I will work on a design and return as soon as I have something to put to the group here. Having the mizzen off to replace the stern tube (a long story) has given me a taste of just how uncluttered a junk rig could be on her...

    Regards, James

  • 18 Apr 2017 08:01
    Reply # 4758187 on 4757504

    James Lovett wrote:

    Hi Folks,

    As I have to start somewhere and I am following up your replies so far, Serenity is out of the water at this moment and I have several pictures of her hull that I have posted here: http://living.miynd.co.uk/journal

    Is this enough to start a design from or do I need actual blueprints?

    The rudder is obviously missing from the pics as I am having to fit a new stern tube :-(

    Well, James, if blueprints were essential, there would be far fewer junk-rigged boats about.  The photo of Ms Nell seems to be pretty much square on.  I would print that out, cut out the shape of the boat and do the old balancing-on-a-knife exercise.  If you compare what you come up with, with similar boats already junk-rigged, that will give you a rough confirmation that you're on the right track.  Then, if you want to, you can post your ideas and see what the experts have to say.  Good luck - I think she'll be a lovely boat with her new rig.
  • 18 Apr 2017 08:00
    Reply # 4758185 on 4458199

    Hi James,

    I found this, which would be enough to make a start on the design, if you can enlarge and trace it:

    https://goo.gl/images/mrxV0t

    I suspect that it's all you're going to find easily, but maybe if you contact the Elizabethan Owners Association someone can come up with an original drawing.

  • 17 Apr 2017 22:57
    Reply # 4757504 on 4458199

    Hi Folks,

    As I have to start somewhere and I am following up your replies so far, Serenity is out of the water at this moment and I have several pictures of her hull that I have posted here: http://living.miynd.co.uk/journal

    Is this enough to start a design from or do I need actual blueprints?

    The rudder is obviously missing from the pics as I am having to fit a new stern tube :-(

  • 18 Dec 2016 20:15
    Reply # 4465826 on 4458199

    Thank you Annie, I like your approach. I'm going to start studying and see if I can come up with a single mast design. I'm a pretty big guy so should be okay with such a sail. I could possibly sell on my entire ketch rig to somebody to offset some of the cost of building a new one. Maybe I could come up with a design and then look at getting a professional to give it a check? I will keep you all posted in this thread of how everything progresses if that's okay.

  • 17 Dec 2016 20:47
    Reply # 4465194 on 4458199

    Here's some information.  And some rather dubious photos here.  Apparently a David Thomas design, so she should be a fine sailer.  Good luck!

  • 17 Dec 2016 19:31
    Reply # 4465147 on 4458199

    There is quite a lot of info about this type of boat on www.yachtsnet.co.uk - just google something like ....... Elizabethan 31 yachts net ...... or similar.  With a centre-cockpit version, I don't think a  schooner rig would be possible.  The yachtsnet info does not include an underwater profile - but I will keep looking, and will post it here if I find if!

  • 17 Dec 2016 17:44
    Reply # 4465063 on 4458199

    One mast or two? The Liz 31 is just about at the changeover point, and the decision is going to be affected by the accommodation layout; by the type of cruising and cruising waters envisaged; and by your height, strength and stamina and therefore how big a sail you can manage. Could go either way, I think. 

  • 17 Dec 2016 10:51
    Reply # 4464512 on 4458199

    Thank you all very much for your replies - it is inspiring just to get such feedback from a group let alone the support to build. But you have collectively twisted my arm to look into the options of doing it myself. I guess I should start with whether it is best to keep the two masted configuration or opt for a single mast...

  • 16 Dec 2016 15:59
    Reply # 4463501 on 4458199

    No need to apologize. Starting from scratch it's hard to know what you need to know and how to get there. However much you choose to do yourself or have done by others you need some basic understanding of the rig and design to make informed decisions to meet your needs. This will also help as you adjust, tweak and sail with your rig. If you start with learning the way Annie approaches building you'll get it down without being overwhelmed. If you did decide to take the project on yourself you can still hire out parts or find friends or acquaintances who may have skills you need as you go. There is great additional satisfaction in sailing a boat that you have personally improved so. There great resources here and in Practical Junk Rig. If you haven't already, I would start by going to our home page - information - public domain files - Arne Kverneland. He has in one place the most  online descriptions, explanations, how to's and specific pictures that I have found. You don't need to digest the whole PJR and there are other sources for quick answers to things like sheeting but its incredibly complete and detailed information is still so useful to read and reference. Get the basics down then start exploring what design and direction is best suited for you.

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